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03-09-2014, 09:11 PM
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The thread title reminded me of Zokrin... I miss that guy.
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03-09-2014, 09:31 PM
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(03-08-2014, 02:10 AM)DeLiLa Wrote: Dude this is a great read. c: If I had to pick in all honesty it would be Hitler. Yes I know its a bit off to choose a E.V.I.L *Every, Villain, Is, Lemons* but, lets all be honest. The guy was a great leader with ideas that he could have made happen but, his generals did not listen to him, and Hitler kind of well... ended like Mafia Boy did. He bragged to much and that got him in the butt.

I don't know about Hitler. When the war started turning ugly he and some of his closer men did some really dumb decisions. I believe that if Hitler had keept looking at the big picture instead of telling the generals how to fight there battles Germany could have been far more successful. He also Destroyed some of the Germans greatest inventions completely.

For example take the Germans jet fighters. They had some exceptional technology for there time and they could have produced them a good deal earlier and better if Hitler hadn't told them to instead focusing on making V2 and V1 rockets. And when the ME-262 was about to be finished Hitler for some reason told them to add bombs to it.

If properly produced without any of Hitlers interaction the ME-262 could have turned around the war singlehandedly. But Hitler scrapped that.

Something happened with Hitler at the turning point of the war. I think he snapped for some reason and started making lots of bad decisions.


Anyway to stay a little OT.

My favorite one is Erwin Rommel. He was a brilliant commander that earned both the respect of his men and enemies. He ignored orders to kill Jews and prisoners of war on multiple occasions. At the end of the war he was linked to a conspiracy against Hitler and forced to take a cyanide pill to insure his families safety.
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03-10-2014, 10:46 PM
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(03-09-2014, 09:31 PM)yugurt Wrote:
(03-08-2014, 02:10 AM)DeLiLa Wrote: Dude this is a great read. c: If I had to pick in all honesty it would be Hitler. Yes I know its a bit off to choose a E.V.I.L *Every, Villain, Is, Lemons* but, lets all be honest. The guy was a great leader with ideas that he could have made happen but, his generals did not listen to him, and Hitler kind of well... ended like Mafia Boy did. He bragged to much and that got him in the butt.

I don't know about Hitler. When the war started turning ugly he and some of his closer men did some really dumb decisions. I believe that if Hitler had keept looking at the big picture instead of telling the generals how to fight there battles Germany could have been far more successful. He also Destroyed some of the Germans greatest inventions completely.

For example take the Germans jet fighters. They had some exceptional technology for there time and they could have produced them a good deal earlier and better if Hitler hadn't told them to instead focusing on making V2 and V1 rockets. And when the ME-262 was about to be finished Hitler for some reason told them to add bombs to it.

If properly produced without any of Hitlers interaction the ME-262 could have turned around the war singlehandedly. But Hitler scrapped that.

Something happened with Hitler at the turning point of the war. I think he snapped for some reason and started making lots of bad decisions.


Anyway to stay a little OT.

My favorite one is Erwin Rommel. He was a brilliant commander that earned both the respect of his men and enemies. He ignored orders to kill Jews and prisoners of war on multiple occasions. At the end of the war he was linked to a conspiracy against Hitler and forced to take a cyanide pill to insure his families safety.

Several Nazi Generals I find miles ahead of the intelligence level Hitler was at. Heisenberg and -shit forgot the name- guy who saved all the art of the louvre from being burned. They had some real gems on their side. Well thought out reply, and I agree entirely. :)
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03-10-2014, 10:52 PM
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(03-10-2014, 10:46 PM)Cat Wrote:
(03-09-2014, 09:31 PM)yugurt Wrote: I don't know about Hitler. When the war started turning ugly he and some of his closer men did some really dumb decisions. I believe that if Hitler had keept looking at the big picture instead of telling the generals how to fight there battles Germany could have been far more successful. He also Destroyed some of the Germans greatest inventions completely.

For example take the Germans jet fighters. They had some exceptional technology for there time and they could have produced them a good deal earlier and better if Hitler hadn't told them to instead focusing on making V2 and V1 rockets. And when the ME-262 was about to be finished Hitler for some reason told them to add bombs to it.

If properly produced without any of Hitlers interaction the ME-262 could have turned around the war singlehandedly. But Hitler scrapped that.

Something happened with Hitler at the turning point of the war. I think he snapped for some reason and started making lots of bad decisions.


Anyway to stay a little OT.

My favorite one is Erwin Rommel. He was a brilliant commander that earned both the respect of his men and enemies. He ignored orders to kill Jews and prisoners of war on multiple occasions. At the end of the war he was linked to a conspiracy against Hitler and forced to take a cyanide pill to insure his families safety.

Several Nazi Generals I find miles ahead of the intelligence level Hitler was at. Heisenberg and -shit forgot the name- guy who saved all the art of the louvre from being burned. They had some real gems on their side. Well thought out reply, and I agree entirely. :)

I wouldn't say Hitler was a stupid man i just think he snapped and started making bad decisions. Hermann Göring was also a real nut. He basically doomed the men stuck in Stalingrad by promising Hitler that his airforce would be able to deliver supplies to the army stuck in Stalingrad. I don't remember the exact number but they succeeded in delivering around 10% of what the army needed to survive.
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03-11-2014, 11:35 PM
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(03-10-2014, 10:52 PM)yugurt Wrote:
(03-10-2014, 10:46 PM)Cat Wrote: Several Nazi Generals I find miles ahead of the intelligence level Hitler was at. Heisenberg and -shit forgot the name- guy who saved all the art of the louvre from being burned. They had some real gems on their side. Well thought out reply, and I agree entirely. :)

I wouldn't say Hitler was a stupid man i just think he snapped and started making bad decisions. Hermann Göring was also a real nut. He basically doomed the men stuck in Stalingrad by promising Hitler that his airforce would be able to deliver supplies to the army stuck in Stalingrad. I don't remember the exact number but they succeeded in delivering around 10% of what the army needed to survive.

I'm not saying he was stupid either; not even close. Just during his reign he made several military blunders. He had some other total nuts on his side. Ever heard of Josif Mengala? Talk about someone you wouldn't want to run into in a dark alleyway. Cut people up while they were awake without athestetics, created artificial conjoined twins, and dragged children to laboratories with promises of candy. Fucking genius, but wasted a lot of talent dicking around and fucking people up.
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03-12-2014, 07:25 AM
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Adolf Hitler was an outstanding leader. Rose through the ranks and became the chancellor of Germany. Massive world power. Almost conquered America.

Though we don't agree with what he did, he almost had world power.
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03-12-2014, 07:31 AM
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(03-12-2014, 07:25 AM)Athletiks Wrote: Adolf Hitler was an outstanding leader. Rose through the ranks and became the chancellor of Germany. Massive world power. Almost conquered America.

Though we don't agree with what he did, he almost had world power.

Wut? Almost counquered America?
He was never even close to invading America.
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03-12-2014, 07:35 AM
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(03-12-2014, 07:31 AM)yugurt Wrote:
(03-12-2014, 07:25 AM)Athletiks Wrote: Adolf Hitler was an outstanding leader. Rose through the ranks and became the chancellor of Germany. Massive world power. Almost conquered America.

Though we don't agree with what he did, he almost had world power.

Wut? Almost counquered America?
He was never even close to invading America.

Indeed he did. The Battle in which the British forces were stuck behind enemy lines almost resulted in the President surrendering and giving Germany power over Britain. If British forces were taken over, their force matched America, and we'd be speaking German if the war continued 3+ years.
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03-12-2014, 07:53 AM
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I'm going with Hitler on this one. He got thousands of people to agree with his beliefs, and he managed to convince hundreds (maybe thousands, not quite sure) of soldiers to have a mindset that jews were killing Germany, and that jews had the worth of a rat.
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03-12-2014, 06:16 PM
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(03-12-2014, 07:53 AM)Meh Wrote: I'm going with Hitler on this one. He got thousands of people to agree with his beliefs, and he managed to convince hundreds (maybe thousands, not quite sure) of soldiers to have a mindset that jews were killing Germany, and that jews had the worth of a rat.

He had a lot for than a few hundred soldiers. XD He convinced all his soldiers, and nearly all of germany. Thats hundreds of thousands, if not millions.


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