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03-22-2014, 07:18 PM
I saw a thread like this on some other forums, never really looked through the replies - As I expect more HQ Posts on here I will read through them, so answer the title.
With actual meaningful answers and not moronic answers please.
With actual meaningful answers and not moronic answers please.
03-22-2014, 07:23 PM
Because nothing has been proved to me. I will not follow something that has not proved it's existence to me.
Honestly I care to little to even get into it, as people who are of any religion tend to always come back with something revolving around faith or "the book says this". Ultimately I've never been shown proof. If I just met you and asked you to close your eyes, I might feed something to you.. would you do it? Probably not. You don't know if I'm going to feed you or not, and you don't know what I'm going to feed you. I suppose with God it's easier. You don't have anything to lose, but something to believe in. I also believe it's a way to live more comfortably, believing after death there's an alternative. Personally I can understand that, and wish I actually thought the same way. I am obsessed with death. I love it but don't want it to come.
Let me ask this: Why are you not an Atheist?
Honestly I care to little to even get into it, as people who are of any religion tend to always come back with something revolving around faith or "the book says this". Ultimately I've never been shown proof. If I just met you and asked you to close your eyes, I might feed something to you.. would you do it? Probably not. You don't know if I'm going to feed you or not, and you don't know what I'm going to feed you. I suppose with God it's easier. You don't have anything to lose, but something to believe in. I also believe it's a way to live more comfortably, believing after death there's an alternative. Personally I can understand that, and wish I actually thought the same way. I am obsessed with death. I love it but don't want it to come.
Let me ask this: Why are you not an Atheist?
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03-22-2014, 07:29 PM
(03-22-2014, 07:23 PM)Perk Wrote: Because nothing has been proved to me. I will not follow something that has not proved it's existence to me.
Honestly I care to little to even get into it, as people who are of any religion tend to always come back with something revolving around faith or "the book says this". Ultimately I've never been shown proof. If I just met you and asked you to close your eyes, I might feed something to you.. would you do it? Probably not. You don't know if I'm going to feed you or not, and you don't know what I'm going to feed you. I suppose with God it's easier. You don't have anything to lose, but something to believe in. I also believe it's a way to live more comfortably, believing after death there's an alternative. Personally I can understand that, and wish I actually thought the same way. I am obsessed with death. I love it but don't want it to come.
Let me ask this: Why are you not an Atheist?
That's the beauty of religion. Religion is based on faith. Read this, in the spoilers (it's rather big xD)
[spoiler]
Professor : You are a Christian, aren’t you, son ?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor: So, you believe in GOD ?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Professor : Is GOD good ?
Student : Sure.
Professor: Is GOD all powerful ?
Student : Yes.
Professor: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to GOD to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn’t. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?
(Student was silent.)
Professor: You can’t answer, can you ? Let’s start again, young fella. Is GOD good?
Student : Yes.
Professor: Is satan good ?
Student : No.
Professor: Where does satan come from ?
Student : From … GOD …
Professor: That’s right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student : Yes.
Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn’t it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes.
Professor: So who created evil ?
(Student did not answer.)
Professor: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don’t they?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor: So, who created them ?
(Student had no answer.)
Professor: Science says you have 5 Senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son, have you ever seen GOD?
Student : No, sir.
Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your GOD?
Student : No , sir.
Professor: Have you ever felt your GOD, tasted your GOD, smelt your GOD? Have you ever had any sensory perception of GOD for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I’m afraid I haven’t.
Professor: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student : Yes.
Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.
Professor: Yes, faith. And that is the problem Science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Professor: Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as cold?
Professor: Yes.
Student : No, sir. There isn’t.
(The lecture theater became very quiet with this turn of events.)
Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don’t have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.
(There was pin-drop silence in the lecture theater.)
Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?
Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn’t darkness?
Student : You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn’t it? In reality, darkness isn’t. If it is, well you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?
Professor: So what is the point you are making, young man ?
Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Professor: Flawed ? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good GOD and a bad GOD. You are viewing the concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science can’t even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.
Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?
Professor: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shook his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument was going.)
Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor. Are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?
(The class was in uproar.)
Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor’s brain?
(The class broke out into laughter. )
Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor’s brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?
(The room was silent. The Professor stared at the student, his face unfathomable.)
Professor: I guess you’ll have to take them on faith, son.
Student : That is it sir … Exactly ! The link between man & GOD is FAITH. That is all that keeps things alive and moving.
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03-22-2014, 07:31 PM
(03-22-2014, 07:23 PM)Perk Wrote: Because nothing has been proved to me. I will not follow something that has not proved it's existence to me.
Honestly I care to little to even get into it, as people who are of any religion tend to always come back with something revolving around faith or "the book says this". Ultimately I've never been shown proof. If I just met you and asked you to close your eyes, I might feed something to you.. would you do it? Probably not. You don't know if I'm going to feed you or not, and you don't know what I'm going to feed you. I suppose with God it's easier. You don't have anything to lose, but something to believe in. I also believe it's a way to live more comfortably, believing after death there's an alternative. Personally I can understand that, and wish I actually thought the same way. I am obsessed with death. I love it but don't want it to come.
Let me ask this: Why are you not an Atheist?
Thats a fair enough reply, I respect your views.
I am not an Atheist for many reasons:
- I believe god makes no sense apart from serving and following Christ, we have no purpose otherwise really.
- Ive seen miracles happen by prayer (Ive seen a woman in a wheelchair in a morning service get up and walk out)
- I left the church for a while got into drinking , partying, sleeping around the whole lot - But I realised I dont want to waste my life, why not give it to Christ?
- I can’t help but see the biblical stories of Creation, Fall, and Redemption echoed in every play, every work of art, every human story, every drama, every movie, and the news I read each day.
- I love to see people be lead to god, its such a pleasing thing to see people lifting their problems to god and awesome things happening. (Woman in poverty, house about to be repossessed, cant get a job because of qualifications - come next sunday house is not being repossessed anymore, she got a job and she received a big donation from a couple of churches around our area working together)
- Oh plus, people may say there is no evidence and guaranteed there may not be. EVER, but thats the point in faith, I feel like ive had connections with god and ive had chains on my heart broken by him - Hes talked to me before and commanded me to do things and Ive gone and done them.
03-22-2014, 07:32 PM
(03-22-2014, 07:18 PM)Slash Wrote: I saw a thread like this on some other forums, never really looked through the replies - As I expect more HQ Posts on here I will read through them, so answer the title.
With actual meaningful answers and not moronic answers please.
Well considering that there are 7 different spectrums of Christianity this is a particularly broad question. However I could see this sparking more or less s Senate debate kind of a thing here. I would suspect you will receive answer of all types.
But I myself am not Christian at all, as I genuinely believe that we ate the product of evolution, look in our history and notice the facts and proofs that revolve around vestigial features. There is no God, there is no higher power, when I did I well return from whence I can't, back unto the earth.
03-22-2014, 07:36 PM
Don't get me wrong, I am open to possibilities of there being a higher power.
But for that higher power to show nothing to me personally, or present itself to me.. it does not deserve me as a follower.
But for that higher power to show nothing to me personally, or present itself to me.. it does not deserve me as a follower.
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03-22-2014, 07:38 PM
(03-22-2014, 07:36 PM)Perk Wrote: Don't get me wrong, I am open to possibilities of there being a higher power.
But for that higher power to show nothing to me personally, or present itself to me.. it does not deserve me as a follower.
That makes perfect sense, again I respect that
But have you ever tried going to a church one Sunday and speaking to a minister there, God can connect in many ways - without realising anyway.
Plus its not about deserving to be a follower its whether or not you want to be a follower, he loves everyone unconditionally and everyone should be his follower.
03-22-2014, 07:39 PM
I just do not believe in god. I understand faith is where it is at, but I do not give my faith to something that does not exist.
03-22-2014, 07:42 PM
(03-22-2014, 07:38 PM)Clyde Wrote:(03-22-2014, 07:36 PM)Perk Wrote: Don't get me wrong, I am open to possibilities of there being a higher power.
But for that higher power to show nothing to me personally, or present itself to me.. it does not deserve me as a follower.
Did you read the thing I posted?
I did. But those are the types of things that I personally don't want to reply too. Faith.
It sounds like the opposite meaning of the word "reality" to me. No offence.
(03-22-2014, 07:38 PM)Slash Wrote:(03-22-2014, 07:36 PM)Perk Wrote: Don't get me wrong, I am open to possibilities of there being a higher power.
But for that higher power to show nothing to me personally, or present itself to me.. it does not deserve me as a follower.
That makes perfect sense, again I respect that
But have you ever tried going to a church one Sunday and speaking to a minister there, God can connect in many ways - without realising anyway.
Plus its not about deserving to be a follower its whether or not you want to be a follower, he loves everyone unconditionally and everyone should be his follower.
I did attend church routinely when I was younger, but never really understood it.
Really all I ever enjoyed was the singing. Seemed like a waste of time.
Regardless I understand you, and the idea of it. But me personally, if something loved me it'd show itself. Otherwise it's a creep.