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04-08-2014, 12:21 AM
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(04-08-2014, 12:15 AM)Gary Wrote:
(04-05-2014, 09:38 AM)Slash Wrote: Elaborate on too much work? I balance my religion, job and school with free time - I dont see how its time consuming

Going to church every Sunday? Ya rite. I like to catch up on sleep on the weekends. I don't see the point of going somewhere to read a book. Meanwhile I can do the same thing at home but I don't like reading at home anyways. Therefore I could care less about religion as I don't need to be side tracked even more.

Just pointing this out. In the bible jesus said something that you don't need to show people that you have faith. So I pray before I start playing Battlefield.
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04-09-2014, 07:49 AM
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(04-07-2014, 11:59 PM)Tauriel Wrote: There may be a higher power but for me I'm a little on the fence

It's asking for blind faith in something you can't see/hear/feel/touch and you're just supposed to accept that he works in mysterious ways? That bad things continuously happen to good people to test their faith. So if there is a God and you believe in him why would he try and test you? You already believe, why shake the faith?

And then I am met with well he tests you so he can give you better blessings..is not being a good person enough? Is not going out of your way to help someone not good enough?

There is too much bad happening to people that I know are honestly good for their to be a God testing them.

On the other hand I feel that maybe if I did believe, things would line up for me.

Supposedly. I don't believe, but I don't not believe....if that makes sense.

God doesn't test us, god gave man free will and we sinned therefore there is sin in the world.

(04-08-2014, 12:15 AM)Gary Wrote:
(04-05-2014, 09:38 AM)Slash Wrote: Elaborate on too much work? I balance my religion, job and school with free time - I dont see how its time consuming

Going to church every Sunday? Ya rite. I like to catch up on sleep on the weekends. I don't see the point of going somewhere to read a book. Meanwhile I can do the same thing at home but I don't like reading at home anyways. Therefore I could care less about religion as I don't need to be side tracked even more.

You are severely misunderstood about church then, when I go to my denomination there is very little bible and its more worship then a preach around the bible which isn't reading the book and its nurturing you in the word.

(04-08-2014, 12:20 AM)Tauriel Wrote:
(04-08-2014, 12:15 AM)Gary Wrote: Going to church every Sunday? Ya rite. I like to catch up on sleep on the weekends. I don't see the point of going somewhere to read a book. Meanwhile I can do the same thing at home but I don't like reading at home anyways. Therefore I could care less about religion as I don't need to be side tracked even more.

This is honestly the same thing I said. You don't have to go sit in Church to read the Bible, that you could do it at home. Besides most people go to church now to show off their clothing. Or to compare cars or who has the new what....

Hebrews 10:25 says - 'not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.' So you kind of have t go to church, as you get to hear the lords word and share with one another.

Plus that is also misinformed, I have never noticed that in my church - its just when athesists are solid on thinking that the church steal money from people for the pastor's good. No this is not true, my pastor pays each staff member accordingly (Youth pastor, kids pastor, interns and administration) then the rest is put back into the church getting new equipment buying bibles for everyone etc. My main pastor does not live in a fancy house, he lives in a standard 3 bedroom house with 2 children and his wife.
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04-09-2014, 02:34 PM
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But its simple. I just don't care about religion. In my opinion its just a waste of time.
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04-09-2014, 03:48 PM
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(04-09-2014, 02:34 PM)Gary Wrote: But its simple. I just don't care about religion. In my opinion its just a waste of time.

You must have a detailed reason as to why its a waste of time though.
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04-09-2014, 10:32 PM
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(03-22-2014, 07:29 PM)Clyde Wrote:
(03-22-2014, 07:23 PM)Perk Wrote: Because nothing has been proved to me. I will not follow something that has not proved it's existence to me.
Honestly I care to little to even get into it, as people who are of any religion tend to always come back with something revolving around faith or "the book says this". Ultimately I've never been shown proof. If I just met you and asked you to close your eyes, I might feed something to you.. would you do it? Probably not. You don't know if I'm going to feed you or not, and you don't know what I'm going to feed you. I suppose with God it's easier. You don't have anything to lose, but something to believe in. I also believe it's a way to live more comfortably, believing after death there's an alternative. Personally I can understand that, and wish I actually thought the same way. I am obsessed with death. I love it but don't want it to come.

Let me ask this: Why are you not an Atheist?

That's the beauty of religion. Religion is based on faith. Read this, in the spoilers (it's rather big xD)

[spoiler]
Professor : You are a Christian, aren’t you, son ?

Student : Yes, sir.

Professor: So, you believe in GOD ?

Student : Absolutely, sir.

Professor : Is GOD good ?

Student : Sure.

Professor: Is GOD all powerful ?

Student : Yes.

Professor: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to GOD to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn’t. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?

(Student was silent.)

Professor: You can’t answer, can you ? Let’s start again, young fella. Is GOD good?

Student : Yes.

Professor: Is satan good ?

Student : No.

Professor: Where does satan come from ?

Student : From … GOD …

Professor: That’s right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

Student : Yes.

Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn’t it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?

Student : Yes.

Professor: So who created evil ?

(Student did not answer.)

Professor: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don’t they?

Student : Yes, sir.

Professor: So, who created them ?

(Student had no answer.)

Professor: Science says you have 5 Senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son, have you ever seen GOD?

Student : No, sir.

Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your GOD?

Student : No , sir.

Professor: Have you ever felt your GOD, tasted your GOD, smelt your GOD? Have you ever had any sensory perception of GOD for that matter?

Student : No, sir. I’m afraid I haven’t.

Professor: Yet you still believe in Him?

Student : Yes.

Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son?

Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.

Professor: Yes, faith. And that is the problem Science has.

Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

Professor: Yes.

Student : And is there such a thing as cold?

Professor: Yes.

Student : No, sir. There isn’t.

(The lecture theater became very quiet with this turn of events.)

Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don’t have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

(There was pin-drop silence in the lecture theater.)

Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?

Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn’t darkness?

Student : You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn’t it? In reality, darkness isn’t. If it is, well you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?

Professor: So what is the point you are making, young man ?

Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

Professor: Flawed ? Can you explain how?

Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good GOD and a bad GOD. You are viewing the concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science can’t even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.

Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?

Professor: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.

Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shook his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument was going.)

Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor. Are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?

(The class was in uproar.)

Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor’s brain?

(The class broke out into laughter. )

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor’s brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

(The room was silent. The Professor stared at the student, his face unfathomable.)

Professor: I guess you’ll have to take them on faith, son.

Student : That is it sir … Exactly ! The link between man & GOD is FAITH. That is all that keeps things alive and moving.
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LOVE THAT! Einstein makes me very happy.
I was raised Catholic, but being that I have a personal relationship with Jesus, I don't need to do "as the Church says." I do what I know it right, and I know when I do something wrong.
To be honest, there has been proof of Jesus, to me. Of course, many people won't believe me, so I don't really get to tell the story that much.
That story, and the fact that I wouldn't be alive today. I wasn't supposed to survive through the night I was born. (I was premature).
I don't need proof to know that He's there for me. I can FEEL it.
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08-08-2014, 07:03 AM
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Just like everyone else, there is no proof. No reliable source of proof.
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08-08-2014, 07:05 AM
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I am not a Christian because:
1. I have seen absolutely no evidence that god exists.
2. The Christian metaphysical concepts are highly implausible.
3. The Christian god can't exist i.e. a god that is all powerful and all good, yet lets bad stuff happen.


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